so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
Viviane, thanks for the reply.
Could you answer my question ( without making me feel 2ft tall)
( Q ) Do we have any evidence from verifiable sources the flag is still standings?
Now I have got to rush as I am pickniking with my boy and other half in the park....( if I were on a bible study my priorities may have been different)
The Rebel.
so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
That's a great story freemindfade fade. Reminded me of the film SMOKE by Paul Auster. which finished with the the writer writiting his friends made up " Christmas story"
The writer played by ( I forget) said " Bullshit" but you tell a great story."I can't remember the lines off the top of my head,but that was an under appreciated film with Harvey Kietel, whose character told a beautiful story of " Bullshit"
The key word Auster used in the film script of SMOKE was also the key word in your post " Bullshit" and if you watch the film you will appreciate " Bullshit" is to be respected and it is also often quite valid.
Your post made a " Paul Auster" point, debating can be both educational and fun.
The Rebel.
so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
Going back and reading my O.P I realise I may have missed the answer to a question i asked:-
When the astrotaughts left the moon, the flag they planted was standing.
( Q) Do we have any evidence from any verifiable sources the flag is still standing?
The Rebel.
so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
Good point Steve-38y.
Anyway maybe in 50 years moon travel will be the norm. That will put the debate to bed.
But whether we went to the moon or not, personally I would rather the money had been spent feeding and clothing the poor of the world, which would have been paid for many times over if we didn't waste so much money on exploring outer space, nuclear weapons and defence.
" Hello" WE were ONCE knocking on our neighbours door asking the "STUPID "question,
" Do you think maybe someday all nations will unite as one race, and the money is available to feed the poor."
The point I am trying to make is this- we all once knocked on strangers doors, thinking our stupid contrived questions clever. We even thought people stupid for believing in dinosaurs.
What does this have to do with OUR thread?
I think a great deal, as to how we should respect diffent viewpoints.
The Rebel.
on another thread i commented " the most wonderful thing for me about having left the organisation is giving an education to my child, encouraging him to be dedicated and committed to the person he himself wants to be".
for me that is the best thing about being free from the organisations control.. what has been your best realisation having left the organisation?.
the rebel..
Yes tiki @ neverajw I agree.
I received a birthday card from my boy "To my dad. To the person that always stands up for me........." That in its self was worth all the crap involved with leaving the organisation.
The Rebel.
on another thread i commented " the most wonderful thing for me about having left the organisation is giving an education to my child, encouraging him to be dedicated and committed to the person he himself wants to be".
for me that is the best thing about being free from the organisations control.. what has been your best realisation having left the organisation?.
the rebel..
On another thread I commented " The most wonderful thing for me about having left the organisation is giving an education to my child, encouraging him to be dedicated and committed to the person he himself wants to be"
For me that is the best thing about being free from the organisations control.
What has been your best realisation having left the organisation?
The Rebel.
hi guys, .
in discussions with a current jw, they told me that have big concerns with regards to the 607 bce date, but they are waiting on jehovah for refining.
any suggestions on questions to pose to them based on their feedback?.
Annon ( Q ) Any advice on questions to pose to them based on their feedback?
The Rebel.( A) They believe the Watchtower are the packagers and owners of truth, it's your job to pose questions to prove they are not. But don't give up hope if they don't reason, the organisation has done its job of indoctrination on them over many years. So stay friends and be pleased you saw through the indoctrination. Most importantly give them time to come around," chip away at them" is a term we used when I conducted bible studies. The same I am sure is true, when on the other side.
The Rebel.
i tried testing my family by mentioning that a member of the gb was summoned to appear in front of the royal commission and i found it really weird how they reacted.they dismissed it saying its just satan attacking the 'truth' and i could not believe how ignorant they are.they all think that the organization did nothing wrong or even that jw's abuse their children.
why am I not surprised?
I have had similar discussions the conversation usually ends soon after. The reaction is never one of outrage that what I say may be true, more one of outrage that I raised the comment. Oh well, they can continue to believe and I can continue to be me, let's stay friends. I sometimes think that's the most important.
The Rebel.
life has been busy, but i am now on 2 weeks vacation which allowed me some thinking room.
and here's what's been on my mind.. we're all going to die.
no matter what we do, our fate is sealed.
The question I have asked myself WHEN I become aware of my imminent passing, will I believe in God again, as I am sure I will clamour for new new insights.
Anyway being alive I can realise my dream, and that is the hope that my boy will remember me with love and that my parental skills play apart in his having a successful life. It's the most wonderful thing giving an education to your child, encouraging them to be dedicated and committed to what THEY want to do. That's the best thing with being free with the organisation in my opinion.
The Rebel ( with a cause)
so i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
Funnily enough Wizard of Oz, I researched that site only yesterday, and the evidence seems very damning for man having landed on the moon. I discovered a debate on another forum which has run for years. It has many qualified and opposing views and much of the evidence presented from your link is challenged.
Anyway personally some topics cause way to much melodrama so I was thinking of starting a debate based on why we chose our user names, My name " The Rebel" is based on the Johnny Yuma character.
thanks for the link.
The Rebel.
